no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.
please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.
a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!
Hosea 6:1-3
Come, let us return to the Lord;
for he has torn us, that he may heal us;
he has struck us down, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days he will revive us;
on the third day he will raise us up,
that we may live before him.
3 Let us know; let us press on to know the Lord;
his going out is sure as the dawn;
he will come to us as the showers,
as the spring rains that water the earth.”
Doesn't do a thing for me.
no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.
please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.
a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 4 who comforts us in all our affliction, so that we may be able to comfort those who are in any affliction, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. 5 For as we share abundantly in Christ's sufferings, so through Christ we share abundantly in comfort too.
But, that might not satisfy people who want solid answers.
That never satisfied me. I was a child and got no comfort. No help. Some would say I wasn't good enough. Or that I was praying to the wrong God. Or going to the wrong church.
I was a child!!! Where was this supposed help?
no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.
please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.
a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!
I wouldn't let an animal suffer never mind a person
no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.
please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.
a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!
Meanwhile people suffer
For what?
no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.
please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.
a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!
Ok so let's say I am God and my creation makes what I consider a grievous error. Not only do I punish them but every single person that came form them for thousands of years, so billions of people. Just to show them a lesson!
Up they won't learn much because they died. All their offspring suffer endlessly because of what their ancestors did.
You call this just? Fair? Loving?
If I can do the right thing to save someone, why can't God do the same thing? When I see a problem I can take action to help others, lessen their pain, saved some from death even. Why doesn't God do that? he sits around and waits and lets people suffer.
I have a neighbor who prays constantly. I can't see how that helps.
As a child I prayed constantly for help that I never got.
As a young wife and mother I prayed constantly for help that I never got. If I had stayed in that situation, I would most likely be dead now.
It seems ridiculous to me to say well, God helped you be strong. That isn't what I needed. I needed the beatings to stop as a child. I needed the emotional and spiritual abuse to stop as an adult. That isn't what I got.
I was strong but I doubt that had anything to do with God. I was strong because I had no choice. Not only was I trying to protect myself but also 3 little boys and a baby girl. No one else was protecting them from their own parents.
You might say God gave me strength to leave the Witnesses. Nope. That was pure fear that got me out. I didn't want to be dead.
To me, the instinct to survive is what saved me. The instinct to protect those who are smaller and weaker pushed me to help my brothers and sister. God gave me the instinct? Every living thing has it.
For me, God has seriously failed his "creation". I would not do that to one child, never mind generations of them. Billions of them!
no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.
please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.
a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!
If I see it and do nothing I AM morally responsible.
I have heard things many times and although I might not be able to intervene myself I have called the police and let them know the situation was urgent. The police always came within a few minutes and one case put a man under arrest immediately.
In all cases there was the threat of violence. I am not trained for that so called the people who were trained to deal with someone who was potentially violent.
Although I have interceded once before the police arrived to get an innocent bystander out of a situation that could have resulted in him being attacked. What amazed me was that the staff who deal with those people on a regular basis and knew both men, had no idea how to rescue the innocent man without endangering a dozen other people. But it ended well once the police finally arrived.
Our moral responsibility has nothing to do with any god. it has to do with my personal decision to help others when I can. That doesn't even have anything to do with how I might feel if I did nothing and a person got injured.
It is a matter of doing what is right and moral and ethical in the immediate moment without thinking or considering the cost
putting this under "friends" because i couldn't figure out where to put it.
it is very often on here and in ex jw videos, ect that people like to undermine some of those who once we would have called friends.
there seems to be a view that window washers, plumbers, cleaners, construction workers are somehow less intelligent than those who may be college educated.
I have the degree. I had a lot of very well educated teachers/professors. Some knew only their subject and little of anything else. Some knew their subject but they had no idea how to pass the information on to the students. I spent a whole year in one prof's class. No one understood her. They would pass me notes or tap me to explain. I would have to be as tactful as possible to ask the question that would get her (or me) to explain what she was talking about. "So, if I understand you correctly, then when "a and b" happens then we can expect this kind of response? Then I would see heads nod in the call that they now understood. It was tedious. The prof caught on to what I was doing and started to ignore me in class so people would come to me after class.
No doubt that the prof had gotten an education and passed enough classes to graduate but.... NOT a teacher.
On the other hand I have met some brilliant people with little to no education that are smarter than some of those professors.
My father had a grade 2 education. But he worked at the same company his whole life building combines. He could take a car apart and rebuild it. Fix almost anything. He was a wicked sick man but I have to give it to him, he could put almost anything together and make it work.
Being uneducated is NOT the same as being stupid. Being educated is not the same as being intelligent.
But uneducated people should not be handing out medical or mental health advice or punishing people who are ill. That is ALL JW elders are trained to do. - punish perceived "sin".
Sadly, too often that results in worsening condition for the person and sometimes suicide - too often.
Yup I am a trained mental health practitioner.
a good question is would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?.
were you more happy pimi?
are all the pimis more happy than the the pimos or the pomos?.
I have had enough of the god vs whatever debate. That was not the topic here. You have destroyed an interesting topic and made it your own.
And after 19 pages have either one of you gotten the other person to accept even a fraction of what you have said?
What exactly was the point? because as far as I can see all you have done is alienate everyone that really wanted to discuss the actual topic.
a good question is would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?.
were you more happy pimi?
are all the pimis more happy than the the pimos or the pomos?.
Wishing this had stayed on topic
a good question is would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?.
were you more happy pimi?
are all the pimis more happy than the the pimos or the pomos?.
I was so miserable when I was in. Suicide was the only way out,,, I thought.
Being DFed was the better choice. Not easy at the time by any means. But I am far happier now. Haven't obsessed about suicide since I left.
Information is power. It gives you belief that you can make other choices. Anything is better than sitting in a life that you desperately want out of even if that means dying. I was the walking dead. The more information I had the better choices I made. And I did my fair share of mistakes. But I learned.
38 years out and still wanting more. I am alive and loving it.
